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VIII. Tribal Governments Panel
- Joseph Pavel, Northwest Indian Fisheries Commission; Charlene Post, Environmental Policy
Representative, Squaxin Island Tribe; Phyllis Meyer, Environmental Programs Manager,
Suquamish Tribe; Scott Nicolai, Fisheries Habitat Biologist, Yakima Nation; and Karen
Walters, Senior Watershed Planner, Muckleshoot Tribe.
- A. Joseph Pavel
- There are 26 recognized tribes in Washington. NWIFC has 20 member tribes. Each tribe is
a sovereign government. Each has a profound interest in natural resources and cultural
resources of the state. They are very interested in the issues being addressed by the
Commission. The tribes have programs and expertise to interact with state, local, and
federal governments.
- B. Charlene Post
- Tribal people have property rights that have been recognized by the federal courts and
need to be recognized in the planning and regulatory process. Tribal economic stability is
closely tied to the natural resource system and, therefore, to land use. There is a need
to remember that the tribes are sovereign governments and should be dealt with on a
government to government basis. The state and local governments need to recognize that
tribal peoples are stakeholders in the land use arena and must be consulted in the
planning process.
- C. Phyllis Meyer
- Tribes are concerned about both on-reservation and off-reservation environmental issues.
On-reservation issues directly affect the health of tribal members. The Suquamish Tribe
has been involved in a number of environmental and natural resource issues and programs in
conjunction with the state and local governments. They have provided information to assist
local sewer and water districts.
The tribal perspective on natural resource issues
varies from that of non-tribal peoples. The tribes recognize that we are all part of the
ecosystem, and that there is an inter-relationship between many different activities that
might at first appear to be unconnected. There has been an increasing recognition in the
state of this complex interaction, and this has led to efforts at watershed planning. This
approach will not solve all of our problems, though.
Ms. Meyer said that there would be a benefit in consolidating some environmental
statutes with the GMA. She said that existing enforcement of the shoreline act did not
provide adequate protection of the shoreline areas and that better integration of that
statute with the GMA might achieve a more efficient system that was more protective of the
environment.
She said there is a role of intergovernmental agreements between the tribes and the
state and local governments. She suggested this is an issue that needed further work.
- D. Scott Nicolai
- Mr. Nicolai said that although there often seemed to be a conflict between the property
rights of land owners and the need to protect habitat, it is often possible to do both.
One
issue that is often raised in the land use context is the need for local control. Often,
though, local governments in Eastern Washington do not value the need to protect fisheries
resources. Planning should be viewed from a watershed level. This conflicts with the
claims of local control. Downstream users of water will suffer if local control is the
guiding maxim for upstream users.
Water rights permits should be issued based on the impact on existing water rights
holders. The existing exemption of small wells from the water rights permit process should
be eliminated. The cumulative impact of these small wells has a significant impact on
watersheds.
Local governments generally do not have the expertise to issue hydraulics permits. Many
counties have few staff and cannot take on this additional responsibility.
The GMHBs should be left intact. They should continue to have authority to review
substance as well as process. It is this authority that has encouraged local governments
to generally work constructively with the act. Without that authority, local governments
will be less likely to honor all of the goals of GMA.
- E. Karen Walters
- The Muckleshoot Tribe ceded area includes much of the greater Seattle area. The Green
River system is the only one of the Muckleshoot's historical river systems that still has
a commercial fishery.
The tribes have generally only been included in the planning
process as a "public" or "interested party," rather than as another
government. The WACs recognize the importance of involving the tribes in the planning
process. Local governments should notify the tribes early in the planning process and in
the permitting process. This will reduce the risks that the tribes will have to delay the
projects in order to have their concerns dealt with.
A number of tribes have qualified staff who have offered to work with and assist local
governments. Smaller jurisdictions could, in particular, benefit from that assistance. To
date, though, none of the local governments have sought their assistance. Too often,
adversarial relations seems to be the direction chosen.
Water availability to accommodate new growth is an increasing problem. There may be
instances where the infrastructure to supply water is adequate, but there may not be water
available for that purpose. This is likely to prove troublesome under the concurrency
requirements of the GMA. There are also inconsistencies between comprehensive plans and
the development regulations to implement those plans. There are also some inconsistencies
between jurisdictions.
IX. Association of Washington Cities Panel
- Dave Williams, Association Staff; Bob Edwards, Renton City Council; and Roberta
Lowendowski, Redmond Planning Director.
- A. Bob Edwards
- Over 200 of the 275 cities are planning under GMA. Many of these cities are small, with
less than 1000 residents. Overall GMA has been positive, but it has taken longer to
implement than many would have anticipated. There has been a lot of citizen buy-off.
The
biggest issue facing the cities is matching land use and fiscal policies. The six-year
capital facilities plans present challenges. The GMA planning process will not be fully
realized the first time around. There will be a need for cities to review and improve on
earlier decisions. The state needs to maintain its commitment to GMA by providing
technical assistance and financial support to local governments.
The development of county-wide planning policies has served to bring cities and
counties together to work on major policy issues. There have been some difficulties for
counties in making the decisions required by GMA. This in turn has caused difficulties for
the cities who need to rely on consistent actions by the counties.
GMA has not changed the struggle between cities and counties over tax base. The GMA has
established a policy that development should occur in the urban growth areas. Cities are
best suited to provide these urban services. There should be encouragement of annexation
in the urban growth areas to accomplish this objective. Counties do need a source of
revenue to provide services in the rural areas.
If a consolidated land use code is developed, it should make meaningful changes, not
just tinkering around the edges. And, any new code must recognize the differences among
cities and provide sufficient flexibility.
- B. Roberta Lowendowski
- The tendency of the Commission might very well be to recommend new legislation. However,
legislation cannot fix all problems. The last few years has seen an increasing number of
requirements imposed on local governments. She suggested that the state should be put on a
regulatory diet, and that no new requirements should be imposed unless obstacles to
success were removed.
HB 1724 did make some clarifications that were helpful. It met the
test of removing obstacles while adding some requirements. The biggest problem with HB
1724 has been the lack of any sales job on its benefits. There has been resistance from
local elected officials as well as the public that could be reduced.
The Commission has the time to do what it has been asked. For the last three years
local governments have consistently been asked if they can live with added requirements.
She suggested that it would be better to take the time and make solid recommendations.
This would also give local governments a period of stability that they need.
She suggested that a long term goal of the state should be to turn over permitting
authority to local governments. Shorelines substantial development permits and hydraulics
permits are both areas that may be good candidates for this transfer. The state could
focus on an evaluation of local programs rather than making the same comments on each
permit. One option might be to have an agency certify that a local government program and
regulations meets state requirements, allowing the local agency to handle permits.
Ms. Lowendowski said that often SEPA is used for purposes other than environmental
protection. There needs to be some attention to ways to make sure that it is used for its
intended purpose and not to obtain concessions from a project applicant. She also said
there have been some successful efforts at siting essential public facilities. These
worked because the agency trying to site the facilities have worked with local communities
from the beginning, rather than trying to force a project on a community.
The property rights debate has served to sensitize local officials to the need to be
sensitive about the effect of their actions. Through allowances for special circumstances,
more flexible regulations, and purchase where appropriate, local officials can avoid the
problems leading to property rights claims.
- C. Dave Williams
- It has been a pleasant surprise to many cities at how successful growth management
planning has been. One issue that might deserve further study is determining how much
industrial land is available. In conjunction with DCTED, this information could be
collected statewide and be used to encourage development. It would also allow for a
determination of whether there is enough land available. There is a need to start showing
the benefits of GMA planning, so that local governments will see some positive results of
what they have developed.
Infrastructure finance and impact fees are areas that need
further work. The Commission could assist in looking at the way impact fees are assessed
and whether they are the best way to fund added infrastructure.
Some of the permit processing requirements imposed by HB 1724 are starting to generate
opposition among some citizens and public officials. The concerns leading to these
complaints need to be looked at.
There would be value in having a state comprehensive plan. However, this is unlikely to
be any better than local plans. Because of the need for local governments to address
essential public facilities, it would be helpful to know of the state's plans far enough
in advance of their need so that siting issues could be handled. At the same time, cities
are not interested in having the state adopt rules that regulate their activities. They
would prefer to have technical assistance.
- D. Questions
- Have the cities thought about how they can monitor whether the densities that they are
supposed to be taking under comprehensive plans are occurring? A: The cities as a
whole do not have a formal evaluation mechanism in place to deal with this question. King
County does have a benchmarks process in place to look at how the plan has been
implemented.
How well have the counties and cities been working together, for example
with population projections? A: King County has a fairly good process. In part it
relies on a supermajority vote to assure acceptance.
X. Department of Transportation Presentation
- Rick Smith and Charlie Howard, Washington State Department of Transportation
- A. Rick Smith
- As a state agency, WSDOT has a unique role. It establishes transportation policy. It is
also one of the largest contractors in the state. The process for building a project
starts with identifying the transportation needs within the state. WSDOT develops its own
plan and works with local governments to incorporate these needs assessments into local
plans. After funding is acquired, the department proceeds through the environmental review
and permitting process.
WSDOT was an early supporter of the GMA and worked closely with
the Growth Strategies Commission.
The department is impacted by the differences in regulations among jurisdictions. It
may be subject to a variety of standards on the same project as it passes through
different jurisdictions. The department would like to see some consistency in
environmental regulations to reduce the cost and delay that these inconsistencies create.
- B. Charlie Howard
- There are four basic issues that have evolved for WSDOT since the passage of GMA: state
transportation planning; how local comprehensive plans treat state facilities; siting of
transportation facilities of state-wide significance; and the regional role in
transportation planning.
WSDOT, as do most state agencies, has a planning mandate. One
component of the plan addresses state owned facilities. Another component address
facilities of state interest, which includes intercity passenger rail, public
transportation, freight, marine ports, and non-motorized transportation. The first
Washington Transportation Plan has been recently approved by the Transportation Commission
and will be released soon. Because there is no comprehensive state plan, the
transportation plan is based to the extent feasible on individual plans adopted by other
state agencies. It is also fiscally constrained, based on what the WSDOT believes that it
will be able to afford.
The relationship between state transportation facilities and local comprehensive plans
is not entirely clear. Based on a Legislative Transportation Committee study, it appears
that local governments often do not include state transportation facilities in their
plans. In some cases, local plans assume that state facilities will handle all of the
traffic needs for the jurisdiction. An example where there has been a good process is
Douglas and Chelan Counties and Wenatchee and East Wenatchee working with WSDOT to develop
a common plan. There is also a problem relating to cross-boundary consistency. There has
been legislation introduced during the past couple of years to require local plans to
address state transportation facilities.
There has been a long-term difficulty in defining what are the transportation
facilities of state-wide significance. And once those facilities are determined, the
question of who should do the planning for them arises. There needs to be a collaborative
process to designate these facilities. The state should be able to make this determination
and require that local governments plan for them. Transportation facilities are distinct
from other types of essential public facilities, because major new facilities are likely
to be created and existing ones are unlikely to be moved. The types of facilities that
might be covered include: freight and intercity passenger rail, the interstate highway
system and principal arterials, including passenger ferries, the Columbia River system,
marine ports engaged in international trade, and high capacity transit systems.
The state needs to recognize that it cannot just impose major facilities on a local
government. It must work on constructive mitigation to reduce as much as possible the
impact of the facility on the local community. This has been possible for highway
facilities because of the availability of federal money. There will be less of this in the
future.
Regional transportation planning has been in existence since the passage of the GMA.
Voluntary regional transportation planning organizations (RTPO) were created at the same
time and allow cities, counties, and other local agencies to form an organization to
prepare their regional plans. The state provides funding for the RTPOs. The RTPOs provide
coordination between the state plan and local plans. They have the authority to determine
consistency between local transportation plans and the state plans.
- C. Questions
- The Chair asked that the State Transportation Plan be made available to the Commission.
She asked how the state plan was coordinated with local planning. Mr. Howard said WSDOT
worked with the RTPOs to try to make its plan consistent with the local comprehensive
plans.
Mr. Dearborn suggested that it would be helpful to see a copy of HB 1645 and the
LTC study mentioned by Mr. Howard.
XI. Advisory Committee Reports
- A. Finance Advisory Committee
- Commissioner Best reviewed the Committee's activities over the last month. The Committee
has added new members as they have expressed interest. It is looking at a California
statute which may provide some useful information on how to pay for integrated plans. The
staff is continuing to pursue that subject. It is developing criteria for evaluating
suggested funding mechanisms and compare them with each other. It also concluded that any
integrated system needs to have quality data. It is recommending that the Commission hear
from a panel on this issue. The Chair said the Staff would work with Commissioner Best to
schedule the panel.
Mr. Dearborn noted that California does use a mechanism that allows
sales tax revenue increases resulting from new construction, such as a shopping mall, to
be used to pay for infrastructure.
- B. Professional Certification Advisory Committee
- Ms. Dietrich said the Committee worked at developing a problem statement. There was
concern on the part of some Committee members that there might be a recommendation for a
new state certification program. The Committee concluded that this was not a direction it
wanted to pursue. The Committee also worked on clarifying what types of programs should be
included in its review. Some members suggested that the Committee should focus on
environmental permits, while others suggested that it should also look at building and
related types of permits. The Committee has not developed a consensus on this issue yet.
The
Committee also explored a variety of existing programs that local governments have
established to deal with the need for using qualified individuals in planning and project
review. The Committee concluded that local governments may already have sufficient
authority to establish such programs and that technical assistance may be more useful. The
Committee members are conducting a survey among themselves to develop more information on
the types of programs that local governments have implemented.
Commissioner Best asked whether the Committee was looking at problems of conflict of
interest and bias that might arise. Ms. Dietrich said that these were issues that were
under consideration. The Chair suggested that the survey should also look at the benefit
that the various programs provided as well as where there is the greatest need.. Did the
programs really improve the process?
- C. Monitoring Advisory Committee
- Mr. Burch said the Committee had added some members. It reviewed the comments from the
last Commission meeting and developed a revised list of cities and counties to survey as
part of the in depth permit monitoring study. It was suggesting Clark, Pierce, Yakima,
King, Douglas, and Pacific counties and the cities of Kennewick, Olympia, Colville,
Seattle, Ridgefield, and Granite Falls. This provides a good balance of jurisdictions with
a variety of characteristics. After an initial study, a follow-up survey would be
conducted in a year. The Committee has been in contact with these jurisdictions and they
are willing to participate. Mr. Burch also noted that neighborhood groups would be
involved in reviewing the surveys from individual jurisdictions.
The Committee is also
recommending that a short survey be sent to all cities and counties to develop a baseline.
A similar survey could be conducted in a year to see what changes had occurred.
Mr. Dearborn suggested that the survey might also take a look at types of notice local
governments are using. This was an issue during the recent King County rule changes and
some information on that would be helpful.
The Chair said it looked like the survey might help answer some of the comments that
came up during the Commission's meeting.
- D. Statutory Review Advisory Committee
- The Chair reported that the Steering Committee is still serving as the statutory review
advisory committee. She said that the Committee had discussed ways in which to consolidate
statutes.
Mr. Dunn noted that he had looked a several existing statutes and tried to
organize their different sections into categories. He had copied several statutes on
different colors of paper. His conclusion was that it would be very difficult to approach
the task in that manner. There are any number of sections of existing law that contain a
number of different elements. In addition, it is apparent that there are differences in
policy in some of the existing statutes. Consolidation of these provisions will be more
than a mechanical process. It will require the Commission, and ultimately the Legislature,
to make policy choices. He concluded that this will be a much more difficult task than he
had initially thought it would. He also noted that because many of the existing statutes
had case law that had developed around it, changing these sections could involve changing
that case law as well.
The Chair noted that in light of Mr. Dunn's work, the Steering Committee had concluded
that it needed to develop a framework for organizing the consolidation. After discussing
the elements of that framework with the Steering Committee, the Chair had asked Mr.
Reinert to put the concepts in writing for the Commission's consideration. The concepts
are preliminary and are presented to the Commission for discussion purposes only.
Mr. Reinert said that the first phase in developing a framework is to set the context
and the benefits that a consolidated code will provide. He said the benefits included
developing a consistent state policy out of the many, and sometime conflicting, policies
in current statutes. A second benefit would come from developing consistent regulatory
processes that eliminate duplication. This might also lead to better attainment of
statutory objectives. A third benefit would be to further simplify review and appeal
processes, particularly at the state level.
The GMA, along with the permit and appeal procedures put in place by HB 1724, would
provide the statutory framework for a consolidated code. He said that one could develop a
matrix that looks at the level of governments and their responsibility for different
aspects of the land use and environmental planning and regulatory processes. With this
matrix, the Commission could determine what system it would like to design. Then, it could
look at the existing system and see how it compares to the Commission's.
Mr. Reinert suggested that as a starting point for testing this approach, the
Commission could look at GMA, SMA, the various planning enabling statutes, and the
platting and subdivision statute. Environmental statutes that could be looked at would
include SEPA and the hydraulics code. He said that both have sensitivities and would serve
as a good starting point for testing the ability to consolidate statutes.
The Chair asked Commission members to review the document and make recommendations. She
said the Steering Committee would be reporting to the Commission at its next meeting as
this process evolves.
Mr. Campbell noted that the proposal included consideration of ways in which the state
should reduce parts of its existing authority.
Mr. Dearborn suggested the effect of the recommendations on both large and small
jurisdictions as well as on cities as opposed to counties should be included. In addition,
the relationship of federal statutes should be at least recognized. He also said there may
be a need to consider tribal interests.
The Chair said these issues would be included in the Steering Committee's
consideration.
XII. Adjournment The meeting adjourned at 4:30 p.m.
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